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The Ballisland Branch

                                                          

 

Appendix 1 tree that suggests a Scotish origin of the Kidds through Antrim. Authentity of early material can not be verified, but later material about the Kidds in Ohio is well researched. Source of tree is unclear.

Chart at the end of the chapter

 

CHAPTER 3

 

The Ballisland Branch

 

I have suggested in Chapter 1 that this line originated in Wicklow-Wexford with a William Kidd (third generation) who married a Mary Loftus in 1698, and was living at Ballisland in 1728 with family of one son and two daughters, and that this son of unknown name (fourth generation) was the father of the Samuel Kidd of Ballisland of 1740-1812 of the tombstone in the Old Yew Tree graveyard* in Shillelagh (fifth generation). This is, of course, a guess on evidence of dates and locality. Against it is the fact that on my attributions there are no other Kidds who could be Samuel's brothers and sisters. He stands alone in the fifth generation in this line, and this seems unusual as we thus have no male collaterals, either for Samuel himself or his father of unknown name.

 

Sixth generation

 

I have records of the following children of Samuel Kidd 1740-1812

 

(1) William Amona% Kidd (1780-1842), died aged 62, also of the Tombstone Samuel in the Old Yew Tree Graveyard of Shillelagh. In 1825 tithe records, we find William Kidd with 28 acres in

 

  • "Erected by William Kidd in memory of his father Samuel Kidd of Ballisland, who departed this life 8 June 1812 aged 72 years. Also here lieth the body of George brother of the said William who died 27 Feb. 1828 aged 47 years. And also is interred the remains of said William Kidd who died 9 July 1842 aged 60 years". There is also a record of George Kidd's death Feb. 1828 in the Parish Register of Clonegall Church. Here he is called George Amona Kidd. Apparently his brother William also used this name, Amona, for we find in the register of baptism in Carnew Church, 7.11.1825, John A. of William A. and Anne Kidd".#

 

# There are two possibles on dates as brothers of Samuel of Ballisland. These are

  • John Kidd of Kilrush 1737-1831, thought more likely to be eldest child of Thomas Kidd of Coolroe who married Hannah Clark in 1736.
  • William Kidd of Cashel, who married a Mary and baptised a son Thomas at St. John's Cathedral Cashel Co. Tipperary in 1775, but he has seemed to me more likely to belong to the Corbally and Castlecomer branch on grounds of locality. +This man, however, I now think from recent evidence to belong to the Athlone Kidds, a son of the curious Sackville Kidd.

 

+ [note added by WSF Kidd] - handwritten notes added to the typescript are shown in italic font

 

% [note added by WSF Kidd] – there is a townland Ballinamona 5½ miles SE of Ballyellis, about 2 miles NE of Camolin, and near the old Tombe church site; perhaps some unknown link to this place? There is also another of the same name near Ballycanew, about 5 miles E of Camolin.

Townland of lower Ballingate, Parish of Carnew. In Custom House Register of Deaths, Ann Kidd died 1870 aged 85 (Born 1785) of Ballingate Shillelagh, widow of a farmer, witness Benjamin Rathwell, her son-in-law (see below).

 

  • Samuel Kidd, 1785 c - farmer of Ballingate. This comes from the Customs House registration of the marriage of his son Robert Kidd in 1849, which is also recorded in Carnew Register, where we are told that Robert and his wife were both aged 45. Robert, also, is a farmer of Ballingate. His wife's maiden name was Ann Dowde of Money, born 1804. We can only guess the date of Samuel's birth 1780-90. It is curious that no other children of this Samuel except Robert are found. It looks as if there is a gap here to be filled.

 

  • Joseph Kidd, 1780 c - A Joseph Kidd paid tithe on 3 acres in Townland of Coolkenne in the Parish Aghowle in 1825. These places are close by Shillelagh. No other evidence.

 

  • George Amona Kidd, (1781-l828). Again of the stone in the Old Yew Tree Graveyard at Shillelagh. No record of his ever being married.*

 

Here I bring in two Kidds not so far satisfactorily placed with any branch but born circa 1780. First a Christopher Kidd who married Ann Atkin in 1809. Secondly William Thomas Kidd who married Frances McCormick also in 1809, Ferns Ossory and Leighlin Marriage Licence Bonds. This is the only case out of some fifty records prior to 1845 in which two christian names are used. It rather suggests the presence of two William Kidds in the same neighbourhood.

 

Seventh Generation

 

Let us first dispose of Robert, Samuel's son. He married late a woman in her forties and may be presumed to have left no issue. That leaves us then with the children of William 'Amona' Kidd (1780-1842) and his wife Ann of whom there are nine.

 

  • A woman who could have been George's wife is an Ann Kidd who, as recorded in the Customs House register, died in April 1867 aged 80 (born 1787) of Money, widow of a farmer. This is almost certainly the Ann Kidd who is recorded in Griffiths valuation 1850 as having one acre at Money. Money is not far from Askamore. A slight connexion might be found in the fact Robert, Samuel's son's wife was a Miss Dowde of Money born 1804. Robert might have got to know her while visiting his uncle's widow at Money. On the other hand when we come to chapter 5, the Askamore branch, I find reasons that she may have been the widow of the Benjamin Kidd, farmer, whom my elusive grandfather claimed as his father in his marriage registration.

 

                                                                    

 

  • Catherine Kidd, b. 1808 or 9. She is recorded in Carnew Register, as baptised by William and Anne Kidd on 16th of November, 1809, and in the Ferns Ossory and Leighlin Marriage Licence Bonds there is a marriage of Catherine Kidd to James Rock in 1837.

 

  • Elizabeth Kidd, born 1809 or 10. There is recorded in the Custom's House Register, Dublin, the death of an Elizabeth Kidd in 1867 aged 57 on 26th of April. Thomas Motherwell was witness of death and Elizabeth is described as a farmers daughter of Ballingate, Shillelagh. If the age is correct, she must have been born in 1809 or early 1810. It seems extremely likely that she was the second child of William and Anne: but if so either the dates are questionable or the first child Catherine was not baptised till a year or so after birth.

 

There now follows a curious and unexplained gap of ten or so years before the next child of which I have record -

 

  • Samuel Kidd, 1821-1855. His death and burial are recorded in the Clonegall Register, born 1821 buried 17 Nov, 1855, aged 34 of Drummin.  His marriage to a widow Elizabeth Dixon nee Griffin in 1853 two years before he died is in the Customs House Register where he is described as a farmer of Ballingate and his father is given as William Kidd farmer. The witnesses were John Griffin and a George Kidd (see below) undoubtedly his brother.

 

Before going on to the other six children of William 'Amona' Kidd, it is convenient to deal with Samuel's descendants. He had only the one child (8th generation) name William Kidd (1854-1931). This William Kidd married Sarah Jane Blake of Preban 13 September 1893 (Preban and Moyne Parish Register). He is described as of Drummine Clonegall. His father's name is entered as Samuel and her father as William Blake. In the same Register we find Sarah Jane Kidd buried 24 May, 1924.

 

Sarah and William Kidd had two sons that I know of (9th generation), one named Samuel again (grandfather's name), the other William Blake, his mother's surname and his father's christian name. Samuel's marriage is in the Preban and Moyne register "Samuel William Kidd and Elizabeth Edith Boyd of Drummen 4th Jan. 1922” (or query 32). I do not know whether they had any children.

 

William Blake Kidd, I have known by correspondence from about 1959 when he was at the Moyne Post Office and I owe the following information dated 1960 about his children, six boys and four girls, and grandchildren (10th and 11th generations) to him. He married

                

 

Annie J. Dowse in 1928.

 

 

This is the sort of family my grandfather the Constable in Royal Irish Constabulary had at Killaloe Co. Clare a couple of generations earlier.

 

I return now to continue with the children (seventh generation) of William 'Amona' and Anne Kidd.

 

  • Sarah Kidd, baptized by William and Anne Kidd 6 July, 1823 (Carnew Register.) Nothing more known of her.

 

  • William Kidd, 1824 - of Ballingate 1824-1888, died aged 64 (Carnew Register): married Eliza Levingstone 25 June 1861 (Kilrush Register). Leased 63 acres (Griffiths valuations) in Townland of Lower Ballingate, in Parish of Carnew 1850. His wife died in 1907 aged 79, so born 1828, and 33 years old when she married.

 

William and Eliza had five children (eighth generation), whose baptisms are recorded in Carnew (eighth generation) all of Ballingate: (see later 8th and 9th generations).

 

(i) Samuel 3.5.1863, (ii) William 28.5.1865, (iii) Anne 16.12.1866, (iv) George 10.6.l869 (died young) (v) George 23.7.1870.

Again I will insert here what I know of their descendants. The first of the above, Samuel, we know his wife's name was Margaret (Ebbs?) and that they baptised four children between 1900 and 1904 Carnew Reg. stating themselves to be of Umrygar in the case of the first two and last and of Tombrean (a next door Townland) in the case of the third. Their names were Lydia 3.4.1900, Elizabeth 1.10.1901, William Thomas 11.3.1903, and Thomas 28.4.1904. (9th generation). [Remainder of para lined through and noted Insert section on p 36]

The two names William Thomas & Thomas are rather confusing. Thomas apparently bought Ballisland House & Farm in 1920 & is still (1972) living there. His wife was a Miss Fenner & he has offspring, 2 girls and a son Allen. William Thomas, or just William, now dead, married Miss Susan Martha Ebbs of Gorey in 1935 (Gorey & Kilnahue Reg), baptised three children Kilpipe Register 1936, 1939, 1943 (No names given), but I have been told recently three girls Phyllis Elizabeth & Dorothy all now married. William T. was a farmer of Barnadown.

 

The second William lived, at Hillbrook 1865-1924 (Carnew Register) married M. E. Murphy in 1903 being then a farmer of Carnew Parish (Clonegall Register). His widow Mary Emily died in 1903#. A son of theirs named Horace of Hillbrook House, Tinabely died in 1960 and was buried at Carnew.

 

The third, Anne Kidd married a James Porter and, the fourth George Kidd had no issue.

 

Once more we return now to the children (7th generation) of William 'Amona' Kidd 1780-1842 (6th generation.) The remaining four were as follows -

 

  • John A. Kidd, baptised by William A. Kidd and Anne Kidd, Carnew Register 17.11.1825. It seems certain that the 'A' stands for 'Amona'. Could 'Amona' possibly be a faulty transcription of 'Antony'. Nothing further emerges about this man so far.

 

  • Jane Kidd of Ballingate, daughter of William Kidd, farmer, married Benjamin Rathwell in 1850, Carnew Register and Customs House Register. William Kidd witness.

 

  • Anne Kidd of Ballingate married William Cooper of Aghowle 1863, Customs House Register, witness George Kidd. It will be recalled that Anne had an uncle Joseph with land at Aghowle.

 

  • George Kidd of Camolin, schoolmaster 1827-1890, aged 63, Carnew Register. I have a fairly full record of this man and his descendants mainly from one of his grandsons, the Reverend George Frederick Kidd. George Kidd was married at Ardamine Church near Gorey 14 September 1859 to Ann Butler of Cronyhorn Carnew parish, described "at present residing in Courtown." He was 32 years and almost certainly by then a

 

#[note added by WSF Kidd] - it seems to me that the death date for Mary Emily is probably wrong (the marriage date is correct based on the Ireland Civil Registration Marriages index record q1 1903); if widow, after 1924 anyway.

                                                                                        See Appendix 1 for information on George Kidd of Camolin (above)

schoolmaster at Camolin. He and his descendants have been spoken of as the Camolin Kidds, and he is described as of Camolin in the burial register at Carnew. Camolin is about half way between Ferns and Gorey on the main north south road. His wife survived him by 20 years, and died 18 September 1910 aged 75. Anna Kidd of Camolin buried 1910 Carnew Register. There is a stone commemorating them both in Carnew Churchyard. One more thing, in 1850 (Griffith's valuations) he held 9 acres at Ballard, Parish of Carnew. Ballard is at Shillelagh. George and Anne had 8 children (eighth generation).

 

George Kidd of Camolin' s eight children (eighth generation)

 

  • Sarah Catherine Kidd (combining the names of two of her aunts) baptised 1860 at Preban Moyne died 1919* Married Samuel Jordan, St. John's Church, Limerick, 3 July 1893. Two girls, (9th generation) Ruby May and Sarah Catherine, both of whom died fairly young, one the year before her mother died, and the other the same year as her mother died.

 

  • William Kidd, born 1862 (Preban and Moyne Register). Emigrated to U.S.A. Two girls and a boy (ninth generation) named Edwin, unmarried, and by now probably an old man.

 

  • Thomas Butler Kidd 1864-1919, baptised Preban and Moyne Register, burial Carnew Register 18 July 1916 and there described as of Dalkey and as 53 years of age. Evidently a man in some trade or profession.

 

  • Anna Maria Kidd "Annie", Baptised 1865 Tombe Register. Tombe is near Camolin. Married a Mr Holcroft.

 

  • "Bessie" (Elizabeth) Hester Kidd. Baptised. 1866 Tombe Register. Died 1925. (Carnew Register) and lived and taught at Camolin.

 

  • George Kidd, born 1868. Baptised Tombe. Died 1928. Carried on trade as a Gentleman's outfitter in Dublin. Had two sons (ninth generation). (a) Rev. Harold Kidd. In 1957 at Moyne and Preban Parishes. In 1959 at Caversham Vicarage, Leyburn, Yorkshire. Two boys and two girls, (tenth generation). (b) Walter H. P.  Kidd born 1903 and married Hilda, date?

 

  • Margaret, baptised at Tombe.

 

  • I cannot trace origin of this date.
  • Samuel, baptised at Tombe, died 1948. He lived in Limerick, and died in Dublin, and is buried  at St. George's Cemetery (now disused). He married Elizabeth Sproute in Limerick. Samuel had two sons and a daughter (9th generation) all baptised in Trinity Church, Limerick. What was his trade or profession?

 

    • The eldest son, George Frederick Kidd, born 1903, entered the Church, and was 14 years as a missionary in Kenya. He married (?) and had a son Brian Kidd, an engineer, and a daughter, Bridget, a teacher (10th generation). When I first corresponded with him he was at Milisle, Co. Down, but then came to England to the living at Collingbourne, Wilts., and is now retired and living at 17 The Waldrons, Thornford, Sherborne, Dorset.

 

 

To insert on p34

The two names William Thomas & Thomas are rather confusing. Thomas apparently bought Ballisland House & Farm in 1920 & is still (1972) living there. His wife was a Miss Fenner & he has offspring, 2 girls and a son Allen. William Thomas, or just William, now dead, married Miss Susan Martha Ebbs of Gorey in 1935 (Gorey & Kilnahue Reg), baptised three children Kilpipe Register 1936, 1939, 1943 (No names given), but I have been told recently three girls Phyllis Elizabeth & Dorothy all now married. William T. was a farmer of Barnadown.

                                                                                                                                         

                                                     

                                                       

                                                            

                         Appendix 1 a tree that suggests a Scotish origin of the Kidds through Antrim. Authenticity early material can not be verified, but later material about the Kidds in Ohio.  Source of tree is unclear.

 

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